The UK isn’t far behind. Average salary for a junior MD is around $45K annually. Senior MDs/surgeons about double that. Considering costs of an education, and low pay, not many people are interested in medicine. Shortages of doctors given increased demand, the UK has to import them from India, Pakistan, or Sri Lanka. Now add shortages of nurses because they too work for peanuts. Result: long waiting lists to see a doctor, get a hospital bed, have surgery. BUT prescriptions, radiography, inoculations are free.
The US system was great until the Democrats got their paws on it, but you already know that.
Mustang, A friend of mine in Wales told me a while back about all the foreign doctors and foreign nurses there. At the same time, he defends the NHS. Go figure.
Mustang, I recently read that junior doctors (within 14 yrs still a junior) cannot afford an apartment in London. Who would want the job? Also read they have a goal of getting non-emergency patients into hospital within 18 weeks. A goal, so what is the actual situation now and what constitutes an emergency?
Now I wonder if they give special accommodation to their moslem vermin imports.
Funny, my sis and hubby lived in Canada for about 35 years and loved the Canadian healthcare system....they got SO much physical therapy for years for free (he had a really bad neck that was better after a while but he had to go a long time), she was pretty healthy but adored her doctors, etc. And many of their friends had big health problems and poo-pooed me when I brought up long waits "No there aren't!" But my feeling was that it was the small stuff which was good (PT, regular appointments, etc.) and it was the expensive, high-ticket medical problems which one had to wait for, like surgeries, hip replacements, etc. But, in general, they were VERY happy with their care in London, Ontario. Go Figure. I feel gratified with the results in this article because that's what I'd always heard...
I'v heard the same thung abiut FRANCE, Z. I have a college friend who's lived in Paris since 1967! Loves it there, and would never even dream of coming back to the USA.
He is just a year younger than I, and has had several serious medical crises to deal with in the past ten years, as many 'our age" tend to do.
HE says the French system of healthcare is THE best in the world. HE claims it's as close to perfection as anythng dealing wth mortal beings could be.
But then he has become a commited SOCIALIST since we were young, and thinks ill of his native land. (:-o
We've kept in touch all these decades but only through Christmas cards and occasional emails.
I don't worry abut i. I know I'm going to have to die someday. I just hope when my time comes I pass on quickly and quietly with no fuss, muss or bother. I don' fear death, but I do dread invalidism.
Z, I suspect that depending on what your problem is and what the doctor to paitient ratio is in your area, it could be better for some.
Crowder has a video exposing what it is like in a higher populated area, pretended to have a sprained wrist and waited for 3 hours trying to get someone to see him, and the reception people said it could take a long time. The place was full of people, and he asked if there was a better time to come and they said no, it's like this 24/7
Now if you have private insurance (after paying huge taxes for the free healthcare) you can be seen in a reasonable amount of time.
Generally yes,if you have a serious problem you're going to be waiting a long time. Lunch buddies have at least one friend up there who waited 3 yrs to get one hip replaced and now needs another and will wait another 3 years.
I'm not that familiar with the Canadian health system, but I know of many cases where Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment. I would think that if your healthcare system was so wonderful, you'd avail yourself of those services in your country, right? What gives?
Cube, years ago, one of their female government people came down to California for breast cancer treatment. The article was full of BS excuses for it, but imagine, even they can't get decent care. This may have been before Canada allowed the private insurance market to operate again.
Cube, back in the late 90's I was indirectly associated with a Vancouver company called HY Louie. One of the executives told us that he was very happy to be able to buy private HC Ins there again because if you had to rely on the free stuff, you were going to wait many hours in any urgent care office, and wait many months or even years for serious problems such as cancer, new hips, knees, etc etc.
From everything I gather, Health Ins companies and lawyers have destroyed health care from a cost basis POV.
TODAY IS VETERAN'S DAY. SORRY THIS IS OFF-TOPIC, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SHARE FELUNGS ABOUT THE OCCASION, WHICH TOO MANY SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN..
___ A VETERAN’S DAY LAMENT ___
The thought arises once again: That our brave men have died in vain If in our now-degraded state We see no more why they were great,–– And rattle on belligerently –– Rejecting Thought that made us free –– Embracing now with loud insistence –– Malice threatening our existence –– Tearing at each other's throats –– While a leering Satan gloats –– A sorry spectacle that wrenches My heart thinking of the trenches Filled with anguish, fear and dread As bullets whizzed above each head, And buried in the mud the mines Lurked to shatter limbs and spines, While in the distance cannons boomed Inspiring fear that all were doomed. Then to see a body shattered –– One a buddy –– now parts scattered –– In the mud with corpses strewn –– Gruesome lit by sun or moon –– More pitiful the wounded lie In agony praying to die. And all around the smell of blood Vomit, –– urine, –– faces, –– crud Defined the hellish atmosphere But few if any shed a tear. They knew they had a job to do –– Protecting our land –– and you –– From Tyranny, –– Brutality –– Poverty –– and Slavery –– Their Sacrifice –– Our Legacy – Now relegated to the Fire –– Ever the Enemy’s Desire –– Because their precious Victory Was neutralized by Sophistry That promised Peace eternally By ceding our Sovereignty As a dumb ovine assembly Always led too easily To the abattoir where brutally They end up slaughtered ruthlessly. And so the Enemy has won –– Not by bayonet, bomb, or gun –– But by an ideology Seductive, to those lazily Imagining there’s an Easy Way To stop becoming Satan’s Prey. Thus lulled into a stupor we Now feel a false Security. Forgetting that we owe a debt To those brave men who fought to get Continued Opportunity To cherish their fine legacy. Because the Left runs Education We’ve lost our great Emancipation –– Betrayed great men through dissipation Made worse by endless argumentation.
The veneer giving us the appearance of being civilized is, and always has been, very thin –– and fragile. Kid.
Things aren't really different now from what they always have been, BUT since "Science" and "Technology" have replaced GOD in the minds of far too many members of our supposedly educated class, the process of degeneration and dissolution has been greatly accelerated.
Agree Franco. There has and always will be the struggle between good and evil here. Evil has made some significant headway in the last 50 years. More indoctrination and non-education will speed up the process.
I wish we could.
ReplyDeleteEd, Yea. I think it is unavoidable. Glad I'm not a kid.
DeleteThe UK isn’t far behind. Average salary for a junior MD is around $45K annually. Senior MDs/surgeons about double that. Considering costs of an education, and low pay, not many people are interested in medicine. Shortages of doctors given increased demand, the UK has to import them from India, Pakistan, or Sri Lanka. Now add shortages of nurses because they too work for peanuts. Result: long waiting lists to see a doctor, get a hospital bed, have surgery. BUT prescriptions, radiography, inoculations are free.
ReplyDeleteThe US system was great until the Democrats got their paws on it, but you already know that.
Mustang,
DeleteA friend of mine in Wales told me a while back about all the foreign doctors and foreign nurses there. At the same time, he defends the NHS. Go figure.
Mustang, I recently read that junior doctors (within 14 yrs still a junior) cannot afford an apartment in London. Who would want the job?
DeleteAlso read they have a goal of getting non-emergency patients into hospital within 18 weeks. A goal, so what is the actual situation now and what constitutes an emergency?
Now I wonder if they give special accommodation to their moslem vermin imports.
Funny, my sis and hubby lived in Canada for about 35 years and loved the Canadian healthcare system....they got SO much physical therapy for years for free (he had a really bad neck that was better after a while but he had to go a long time), she was pretty healthy but adored her doctors, etc. And many of their friends had big health problems and poo-pooed me when I brought up long waits "No there aren't!" But my feeling was that it was the small stuff which was good (PT, regular appointments, etc.) and it was the expensive, high-ticket medical problems which one had to wait for, like surgeries, hip replacements, etc. But, in general, they were VERY happy with their care in London, Ontario. Go Figure. I feel gratified with the results in this article because that's what I'd always heard...
ReplyDeleteI'v heard the same thung abiut FRANCE, Z. I have a college friend who's lived in Paris since 1967!
DeleteLoves it there, and would never even dream of coming back to the USA.
He is just a year younger than I, and has had several serious medical crises to deal with in the past
ten years, as many 'our age" tend to do.
HE says the French system of healthcare is THE best in the world. HE claims it's as close to perfection
as anythng dealing wth mortal beings could be.
But then he has become a commited SOCIALIST since we were young, and thinks ill of his native land. (:-o
We've kept in touch all these decades but only through Christmas cards and occasional emails.
I don't worry abut i. I know I'm going to have to die someday. I just hope when my time comes I
pass on quickly and quietly with no fuss, muss or bother. I don' fear death, but I do dread invalidism.
Z, I suspect that depending on what your problem is and what the doctor to paitient ratio is in your area, it could be better for some.
DeleteCrowder has a video exposing what it is like in a higher populated area, pretended to have a sprained wrist and waited for 3 hours trying to get someone to see him, and the reception people said it could take a long time. The place was full of people, and he asked if there was a better time to come and they said no, it's like this 24/7
Now if you have private insurance (after paying huge taxes for the free healthcare) you can be seen in a reasonable amount of time.
Generally yes,if you have a serious problem you're going to be waiting a long time.
Lunch buddies have at least one friend up there who waited 3 yrs to get one hip replaced and now needs another and will wait another 3 years.
The HC in Canadia Sucks.
we'll get railroaded down this path whether we want it or not. Just a morphine shot at the end plz, State permitting.
ReplyDeleteDaBlade,
DeleteExactly accurate!
I won't argue DaBlade. Especially as long as we have so many dumbass dipsticks willing to vote for dems
DeleteI'm not that familiar with the Canadian health system, but I know of many cases where Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment. I would think that if your healthcare system was so wonderful, you'd avail yourself of those services in your country, right? What gives?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't make sense, eh?
DeleteCube, years ago, one of their female government people came down to California for breast cancer treatment. The article was full of BS excuses for it, but imagine, even they can't get decent care. This may have been before Canada allowed the private insurance market to operate again.
DeleteEd: eh, eh?
DeleteKid, I wasn't aware that Canada had allowed the private insurance market to open again, but it certainly opens our case for a free market system.
DeleteCube, back in the late 90's I was indirectly associated with a Vancouver company called HY Louie. One of the executives told us that he was very happy to be able to buy private HC Ins there again because if you had to rely on the free stuff, you were going to wait many hours in any urgent care office, and wait many months or even years for serious problems such as cancer, new hips, knees, etc etc.
DeleteFrom everything I gather, Health Ins companies and lawyers have destroyed health care from a cost basis POV.
TODAY IS VETERAN'S DAY. SORRY THIS IS OFF-TOPIC, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SHARE FELUNGS ABOUT THE OCCASION, WHICH TOO MANY SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN..
ReplyDelete___ A VETERAN’S DAY LAMENT ___
The thought arises once again:
That our brave men have died in vain
If in our now-degraded state
We see no more why they were great,––
And rattle on belligerently ––
Rejecting Thought that made us free ––
Embracing now with loud insistence ––
Malice threatening our existence ––
Tearing at each other's throats ––
While a leering Satan gloats ––
A sorry spectacle that wrenches
My heart thinking of the trenches
Filled with anguish, fear and dread
As bullets whizzed above each head,
And buried in the mud the mines
Lurked to shatter limbs and spines,
While in the distance cannons boomed
Inspiring fear that all were doomed.
Then to see a body shattered ––
One a buddy –– now parts scattered ––
In the mud with corpses strewn ––
Gruesome lit by sun or moon ––
More pitiful the wounded lie
In agony praying to die.
And all around the smell of blood
Vomit, –– urine, –– faces, –– crud
Defined the hellish atmosphere
But few if any shed a tear.
They knew they had a job to do ––
Protecting our land –– and you ––
From Tyranny, –– Brutality ––
Poverty –– and Slavery ––
Their Sacrifice –– Our Legacy –
Now relegated to the Fire ––
Ever the Enemy’s Desire ––
Because their precious Victory
Was neutralized by Sophistry
That promised Peace eternally
By ceding our Sovereignty
As a dumb ovine assembly
Always led too easily
To the abattoir where brutally
They end up slaughtered ruthlessly.
And so the Enemy has won ––
Not by bayonet, bomb, or gun ––
But by an ideology
Seductive, to those lazily
Imagining there’s an Easy Way
To stop becoming Satan’s Prey.
Thus lulled into a stupor we
Now feel a false Security.
Forgetting that we owe a debt
To those brave men who fought to get
Continued Opportunity
To cherish their fine legacy.
Because the Left runs Education
We’ve lost our great Emancipation ––
Betrayed great men through dissipation
Made worse by endless argumentation.
That poem was written early this morning by your old friend FreeThinke for AOW'S annual celebration of Veteran's Day.
DeleteRoses are red, violets are violet. This country will soon embody the story of Lord of the Flies.
DeleteThe veneer giving us the appearance of being civilized is, and always has been, very thin –– and fragile. Kid.
DeleteThings aren't really different now from what they always have been, BUT since "Science" and "Technology" have replaced GOD in the minds of far too many members of our supposedly educated class, the process of degeneration and dissolution has been greatly accelerated.
Agree Franco. There has and always will be the struggle between good and evil here. Evil has made some significant headway in the last 50 years. More indoctrination and non-education will speed up the process.
Delete